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you heard the president last night with mr. romney. mr. romney being a different mr. romney than we've seen him for the last 18 months or the last section years. do you think even with the new hit romney that showed up last night when he starts talking about states' rights, when he starts talking about regulation or deregulation, when he starts saying he doesn't advocate $5 trillion tax cut when in fact the numbers prove that he does and has been advocating that, will that resonate with independent voters and/or undecided voters in your state of ohio? >> i don't think so. i think people realize that governor romney is still wrong on medicare and still wrong on trade and still wrong on jobs and still wrong on the middle class. i think that's increasingly clear. again it goes back to which path do you go. do you want to go back to the trickle down economics you give tax cuts to the rich and hope it helps the middle class or do you focus on the middle class and that's trait enforcement, it's i don't think training at community colleges like columbus state and sinclair. i
you heard the president last night with mr. romney. mr. romney being a different mr. romney than we've seen him for the last 18 months or the last section years. do you think even with the new hit romney that showed up last night when he starts talking about states' rights, when he starts talking about regulation or deregulation, when he starts saying he doesn't advocate $5 trillion tax cut when in fact the numbers prove that he does and has been advocating that, will that resonate with...
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and i bet president obama will make mr. romney choose which one. joining me now is democratic strategist tadd devine, senior adviser for kerry and gore campaigns and retired captain wes moore, he's the author of the book "the other wes moore." thank you for being here. >> thanks. >> tad, let me start with you. for the debate, isn't romney caught between what his base expects and what independents want to hear? >> absolutely. i mean, i think it's going to be difficult for governor romney to square his positions on so many issues, you know, and make an appeal to the independent swing voters who they're looking to right now, particularly in the battleground states, and keep it consistent with the things he said in the primary. let's face it. the guy won the republican nomination by going to the right of a right-wing slate of candidates. some of the farthest right candidates in history. so, he's going to have a really hard time if he tries to square those things. i think romney will tell him whatever his pulse tells him to do to appeal to the voters th
and i bet president obama will make mr. romney choose which one. joining me now is democratic strategist tadd devine, senior adviser for kerry and gore campaigns and retired captain wes moore, he's the author of the book "the other wes moore." thank you for being here. >> thanks. >> tad, let me start with you. for the debate, isn't romney caught between what his base expects and what independents want to hear? >> absolutely. i mean, i think it's going to be difficult...
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given that mr. romney and mr. ryan have given no details but have given a promise that they're going to reduce taxes by 20%, how does mitt romney deal with that tomorrow? what does he actually say that he has previously refused to say on explaining that? >> well, i think it's fascinating that they're treating mitt romney like he's the president and a lot in the media treat president obama like he's the challenger. what president george w. bush did when he was governor of texas is said i want to reduce taxes across the board and i want to make sure we have a balanced budget. he wasn't very specific during the campaign, and when he became president, he released a series of principles that went to capitol hill that said these are the measures that meet my -- >> here is the problem with that though, ron. people who have assessed his mathematics have deemed them to be completely impossible. michael, this is just in from mitt romney on how he'll pay for his massive 20% across the board tax cut. take a listen. >> everybo
given that mr. romney and mr. ryan have given no details but have given a promise that they're going to reduce taxes by 20%, how does mitt romney deal with that tomorrow? what does he actually say that he has previously refused to say on explaining that? >> well, i think it's fascinating that they're treating mitt romney like he's the president and a lot in the media treat president obama like he's the challenger. what president george w. bush did when he was governor of texas is said i...
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corbett, mr. romney, mr. turzai, mr. metcalfe and their friends will attempt to create confusion and chaos now that we beat this thing back. so we're going to be just as vigorous now as we have been. your prior guest on the prior segment talked about anger. let me tell you something, chris, there's a lot of angry voters in pennsylvania. mitt romney and todd corbett for this chicanery. they're going to have a conversation with them at the polls on november the 6th. >> let me ask you, kathy, why did this creep up on so many people? i have been making some noise about it, but this is like a multistate thing, something like 20 or 30 states involved in this, all basically pushed by the republicans, all pushed to stamping down on the chance of minority people and older people to vote. clearly partisan and ethnic in nature. here we are, i may be the only one on national television yelling about this thing, but it just seems -- as bill clinton said beautifully, it's blatant and yet nobody's been raising hell about it. >> that's
corbett, mr. romney, mr. turzai, mr. metcalfe and their friends will attempt to create confusion and chaos now that we beat this thing back. so we're going to be just as vigorous now as we have been. your prior guest on the prior segment talked about anger. let me tell you something, chris, there's a lot of angry voters in pennsylvania. mitt romney and todd corbett for this chicanery. they're going to have a conversation with them at the polls on november the 6th. >> let me ask you,...
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. >> senator kennedy, your question for mr. romney. >> mr. romney -- >> i'm sorry. was it my turn to respond. >> i was going to end it there. >> my suggestion about my comments in utah. let me complete it and you can ask me. >> do you have a problem with allowing someone to finish speaking and i suggest if you want to become president of the united states, you have to let both people speak. >> romney's worst moment was this one. it was a year ago with rick perry. >> rick, again, i'm speaking. i'm speaking. i'm speaking. you get 30 seconds. this is the way the rules work here is i get 60 seconds and you get 30 seconds to respond. >> obama has done his best to test him on this. both men have been tripped up by looking patronizing to women. aggressive attacks made her less likely to romney and helped turn the race in his favor. the last week of their fight centered on whether romney had taken a sexist tone when accused of accepting an anti-abortion group's endorsement. >> i did not in any way acknowledge their endorsement. >> you accepted it. >> in what way did i accep
. >> senator kennedy, your question for mr. romney. >> mr. romney -- >> i'm sorry. was it my turn to respond. >> i was going to end it there. >> my suggestion about my comments in utah. let me complete it and you can ask me. >> do you have a problem with allowing someone to finish speaking and i suggest if you want to become president of the united states, you have to let both people speak. >> romney's worst moment was this one. it was a year ago with...
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then on to virginia and ohio for mr. romney. mitt romney's campaigns in virginia and then florida. monday he's expected, as he said, to start filling in the policy details with the first of several speeches starting with foreign policy. we'll be right back. sleep train's inventory clearance sale ends columbus day. get 3 years interest-free financing on tempur-pedic. save 10%, 20%, even 35% on a huge selection of simmons and sealy clearance mattresses. even get free delivery! don't miss 3 years interest-free financing on tempur-pedic. the inventory clearance sale ends monday. superior service, best selection, lowest price, guaranteed. ♪ sleep train ♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ >>> welcome back to "hardball." last night was a tough night for the president, of course, but there's another story to be told about mitt romney's performance, which relied on fuzzy math. vague policy prescriptions and statements that strained the truth. i'm being nice here. he denied his tax plan would cost $5 trillion. denied it. independent economists say it's the case. "the new york tim
then on to virginia and ohio for mr. romney. mitt romney's campaigns in virginia and then florida. monday he's expected, as he said, to start filling in the policy details with the first of several speeches starting with foreign policy. we'll be right back. sleep train's inventory clearance sale ends columbus day. get 3 years interest-free financing on tempur-pedic. save 10%, 20%, even 35% on a huge selection of simmons and sealy clearance mattresses. even get free delivery! don't miss 3 years...
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this video about mr. romney and his family. it's very nice. nobody saw it at the convention but they're using it at their events now. right. and they gave "time" magazine that 1968 photo of young mitt romney on a beach in france with his love letter to ann, written in the sand. i mean you can understand why they wouldn't maybe want to highlight that mitt romney spent his draft eligible years writing love letters in france instead of serving in vietnam, but there is also a human benefit to showing him, right? human. an ounce of handsome, humanized mitt at this point might be worth a pound of questions on how he avoided serving during the war. they are trying. they've even got him talking about health reform in massachusetts again. and conservatives now are so scared of him losing as badly as it looks like him losing that they are not even squawking about it this time the way they did when he talked about romney care just last month. the romney campaign is trying to do some things right. they're trying to make people dislike their candidate less
this video about mr. romney and his family. it's very nice. nobody saw it at the convention but they're using it at their events now. right. and they gave "time" magazine that 1968 photo of young mitt romney on a beach in france with his love letter to ann, written in the sand. i mean you can understand why they wouldn't maybe want to highlight that mitt romney spent his draft eligible years writing love letters in france instead of serving in vietnam, but there is also a human...
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because in those states, mr. romney's argument that mr. obama is responsible for a bad economy doesn't work. ohio is more prosperous now than it's been for decades. and in virginia the unemployment rate is less than 6%. mr. romney probably can't win without either of those two states. and the economic conditions in those states, which are much better than the rest of the country, is really seems to be hurting him and helping the president. >> okay. peter brown, thanks for the interesting chat. i appreciate it. >>> now to number five on our list of the top five trending stories. the new intrusion into kate middleton's private life. more photographs of the duchess of cambridge have surfaced. a danish magazine has published photos showing middleton changing her bikini bottoms taken from the front. st. james palace has not said if it will take legal action. [ horse neighs ] look! she wears the scarlet markings! [ man ] out! your kind is not welcome here! nor your odd predilections! miracle whip is tangy and sweet, not odd. [ man ] it's evil! i
because in those states, mr. romney's argument that mr. obama is responsible for a bad economy doesn't work. ohio is more prosperous now than it's been for decades. and in virginia the unemployment rate is less than 6%. mr. romney probably can't win without either of those two states. and the economic conditions in those states, which are much better than the rest of the country, is really seems to be hurting him and helping the president. >> okay. peter brown, thanks for the interesting...
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whatever the romney campaign has done to get themselves to this point, whether it's mr. romney's tax returns or lack there of or getting rich by laying off fact workers or that videotape that said half the country is lady bums and he doesn't care about them? in this reincarnation, thurston is mean. whatever it is that has done that is just killing him in the polls,every state. if the romney campaign does nothing else, they must, must, must make sure that nobody anywhere near mitt romney does that rich guy can't relate to people like me thing again. here's the romney campaign last night. >> both mitt and i have summer places up in new hampshire on lake winnipesaukee. chin and grandchildren to the town in the boat for ice cream. i got to the doing, looked around, there was no place to dock, we pulled over and all jumped out and ran up the dock and i realized there was nobody left in the boat to help me tie up or anything, they left me at to sea. i pulled up and i said who is going to tie up the boat? i looked up and there is mitt romney. he tied up the boat and rescued me.
whatever the romney campaign has done to get themselves to this point, whether it's mr. romney's tax returns or lack there of or getting rich by laying off fact workers or that videotape that said half the country is lady bums and he doesn't care about them? in this reincarnation, thurston is mean. whatever it is that has done that is just killing him in the polls,every state. if the romney campaign does nothing else, they must, must, must make sure that nobody anywhere near mitt romney does...
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one of the problems mr. romney has is that voters just don't like him very much. we asked voters if they have a favorable, unfavorable of the president. they have a net unfavorable of the president and unfavorable for mitt romney. >> pollsters have been under fire from the right. >> you know it's a piece of garbage. i believe it's head to head in new hampshire. i've seen enough other polls to tell you that is a piece of garbage. >> calling it garbage. governor sununu wasn't talking about one of your polls, but one in new hampshire. how do you fight against kill the messenger? is this different than the past? >> it's not all that different. quinnipiac and most major polls do not weight their polls for party i.d. if someone passes our voter screen, they pass our likely voter. we ask if they are a democrat, republican or independent. voter identification and party identification is a changing characteristic. in 2010, democrats were complaining about the polls because party i.d. figures were republican. in ohio, ted strickland, the democratic governor went out of his
one of the problems mr. romney has is that voters just don't like him very much. we asked voters if they have a favorable, unfavorable of the president. they have a net unfavorable of the president and unfavorable for mitt romney. >> pollsters have been under fire from the right. >> you know it's a piece of garbage. i believe it's head to head in new hampshire. i've seen enough other polls to tell you that is a piece of garbage. >> calling it garbage. governor sununu wasn't...
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whatever the romney campaign has done to gem themselves to this point, whether it's mr. romney's tax returns or lack there of or getting rich by laying off fact workers or that videotape that said half the country is lady bums and he doesn't care about them? in this reincarnation, thurston is mean. whaef it is that has done that is just killing him in the polls,every state. if the romney campaign does nothing else, they must, must, must make sure that nobody anywhere near mitt romney does that rich guy can't relate to people like me thing again. here's the romney campaign last night. >> both mitt and i have summer places up in new hampshire on lake winnipesaukee. a few summers ago was taking my chin and grandchildren to the town in the boat for ice cream. i got to the doing, looked around, there was no place to dock, we pulled over and all jumped out and ran up the dock and i realized there was nobody left in the boat to help me tie up or anything, they left me at to sea. i pulled up and i said who is going to tie up the boat? i looked up and there is mitt romney. he tie
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mr. ryan is sharpening his attacks against the president and romney campaign. they face the president's growing lead in the polls in both states. nbc's ron mott is live on the phone from boston with us. ron, what's the latest there? >> hey, alex, good morning to you. we're in boston, just getting ready to board the buses and head up to derry, new hampshire, for that first rally that you mentioned. paul ryan is going to be speaking in new hampshire, and then we are off to ohio. a little bit later for a banquet in columbus later this afternoon. he's sharpening his attack against the president. the president seems to develop bigger and bigger leads in those big battlegrounds, ohio, virginia, florida, as the attacks from the romney campaign are getting just a little bit sharper and what paul ryan is going out and doing now, the past week or so, he's brought out the power point. the numbers guy, a budget guy, he's showing voters who come to these rallies exactly, and in raw numbers, the deficit problem the country has and he said that mitt romney is the better candi
mr. ryan is sharpening his attacks against the president and romney campaign. they face the president's growing lead in the polls in both states. nbc's ron mott is live on the phone from boston with us. ron, what's the latest there? >> hey, alex, good morning to you. we're in boston, just getting ready to board the buses and head up to derry, new hampshire, for that first rally that you mentioned. paul ryan is going to be speaking in new hampshire, and then we are off to ohio. a little...
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here is what they said about romney's prep. quote, mr. romney's team has concluded that the debates are about creating moments and has equipped him with a series of zingers he's memorized and has been practicing on aides since august. bob shrum, you have been on that particular role, preparing candidates for debate. what do you make of romney, a rather stiff customer to begin with, coming off as sort of a henny youngman or whatever, some sort of a don rickles with some zingers. i don't think of him as a zinger kind of guy where obama is expected to be left helpless. what do you make of that strategy? >> first of all, if you had it, you wouldn't announce it. it's kind of stupid. >> why are they leaking it? >> i don't know. because they're trying to hold onto their people, they're undisciplined, i have no idea. number two, zingers don't exist in a vacuum. it's not just coming up with some funny lines. they have to be part of the fabric of the argument and part of the fabric of who the person is. when ronald reagan said, there you go again,
here is what they said about romney's prep. quote, mr. romney's team has concluded that the debates are about creating moments and has equipped him with a series of zingers he's memorized and has been practicing on aides since august. bob shrum, you have been on that particular role, preparing candidates for debate. what do you make of romney, a rather stiff customer to begin with, coming off as sort of a henny youngman or whatever, some sort of a don rickles with some zingers. i don't think of...
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are people on social security the kinds of voters that you are talking about, mr. romney, in this debate tonight, when you say government is paying too big a role in people's lives. that's a tricky one for him to walk out of. >> are the elderly moochers? he's going to have to answer that question. >> service members on disability? i mean same thing. >> coming on the heels of the romney campaign trying to use joe biden's biden-esque turn of phrase the middle class has been buried and you know, biden has walked that back, you know, is it an indictment of the president? look if you're going to fight for the ground on the middle class i don't know that joe biden is the person you want to be sparring against. >> he is by far the best middle class, working-class figure in this race. but to me, the hannity, drudge, obama thing, the ryan thing, i mean, really? this is all they got? i mean, i found the -- i found nothing that obama said in that speech objectionable or disagreeable, similarly, i find ryan's thing not -- i mean there's a sophisticated and legitimate argument
are people on social security the kinds of voters that you are talking about, mr. romney, in this debate tonight, when you say government is paying too big a role in people's lives. that's a tricky one for him to walk out of. >> are the elderly moochers? he's going to have to answer that question. >> service members on disability? i mean same thing. >> coming on the heels of the romney campaign trying to use joe biden's biden-esque turn of phrase the middle class has been...
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. >> congratulations to you, mr. president. obama care is on my list. i use that term with all respect. >> i like it. >> good. >> governor romney and i both agree the tax rate is too high. >> the president mentioned a couple of other ideas. first, education. i agree. education is key. >> i agree that the democratic legislators in massachusetts might have given advice to republicans in congress about how to cooperate. bring in the panel. former senator hank brown, also cochair for the romney campaign out here. senator brown, let me start with you on the civil tone. everybody is so nice. i assume that plays well no matter what side you're on. >> absolutely. colorado is socially moderate. fiscally very conservative. it plays very well in the state. >> were you surprised how civil it was? >> it was. >> it was nasty on the airwaves. >> we sat through a lot of republican debate where is it got very nasty very quickly on the stage. it seems like both camps were very careful to tell the candidate, okay, don't lecture. that was worked on both sides. don't be pee
. >> congratulations to you, mr. president. obama care is on my list. i use that term with all respect. >> i like it. >> good. >> governor romney and i both agree the tax rate is too high. >> the president mentioned a couple of other ideas. first, education. i agree. education is key. >> i agree that the democratic legislators in massachusetts might have given advice to republicans in congress about how to cooperate. bring in the panel. former senator hank...
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it resulted from a rare combination of factors with demonstrating effects on mr. gore's campaign. and i guess the question is, can mitt romney pull something that would really kind of just give people a page-turner on, a, his personality, which he doesn't appear to really have one beyond being a really nice person. no, i'm serious. he has to show empathy and sympathy and a connection with people that he hasn't up until now. or, steve rattner, to be more specific about his policies, which many argue he hasn't been very specific nor paul ryan. >> he hasn't been very specific. but i think his bigger problem is the first one you said. that he's got to create some sense of connectivity or relationship with the voters. i think that's really his goal as well as what we were talking about in the earlier segment of trying to bring a clear depiction of obama's policies and the fact they haven't done everything they were supposed to. >> john harwood, can he do that in a debate? is the debate the setting? that would be when you're most clenched and concerned about every word that comes out of
it resulted from a rare combination of factors with demonstrating effects on mr. gore's campaign. and i guess the question is, can mitt romney pull something that would really kind of just give people a page-turner on, a, his personality, which he doesn't appear to really have one beyond being a really nice person. no, i'm serious. he has to show empathy and sympathy and a connection with people that he hasn't up until now. or, steve rattner, to be more specific about his policies, which many...
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the romney camp says they are prepared for the 47% comments. can he reverse the damage? richard wolffe and alex wagner will join me next for the discussion. stay tuned. mr. margin? don't be modest, bob. you found a better way to pack a bowling ball. that was ups. and who called ups? you did, bob. i just asked a question. it takes a long time to pack a bowling ball. the last guy pitched more ball packers. but you... you consulted ups. you found a better way. that's logistics. that's margin. find out what else ups knows. i'll do that. you're on a roll. that's funny. i wasn't being funny, bob. i know. email marketing from constant contact reaches people in a place they're checking every day -- their inbox. and it gives you the tools to create custom emails that drive business. it's just one of the ways constant contact can help you grow your small business. sign up for your free trial today at constantconta.com/try. >>> coming up, new poll numbers show mitt romney's 47% comments have take an toll. can tomorrow's debate be a game changer? richard wolffe and alex wagner will
the romney camp says they are prepared for the 47% comments. can he reverse the damage? richard wolffe and alex wagner will join me next for the discussion. stay tuned. mr. margin? don't be modest, bob. you found a better way to pack a bowling ball. that was ups. and who called ups? you did, bob. i just asked a question. it takes a long time to pack a bowling ball. the last guy pitched more ball packers. but you... you consulted ups. you found a better way. that's logistics. that's margin. find...
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what do you think, mr. speaker of mr. mitt romney's chances as things stand right now? how do you feel about it? >> i think he has to have a very strong debate. i think they're whistling past the grave yard. >> is that another way of saying he is not doing so well right now? >> sure. i think everybody i talk to agrees he's had two and a half very tough weeks. and i do agree. i think they started with the clinton speech and then they got compounded by all of the stuff that happened. on the other hand, where i think i would disagree and go back to my partisan roots is clinton really described a terrific obama if only he existed. >> right. >> but the truth is obama is not clinton. obama is a big government, left wing democrat who just this morning we learned has -- a unanimous senate panel led by john kerry is demanding he tell the truth about benghazi. every time you turn around, underneath this zone of the great speaker there is a president with massive unemployment. they just downgraded the economy for the last three months yesterday. the manufacturing index is collapsi
what do you think, mr. speaker of mr. mitt romney's chances as things stand right now? how do you feel about it? >> i think he has to have a very strong debate. i think they're whistling past the grave yard. >> is that another way of saying he is not doing so well right now? >> sure. i think everybody i talk to agrees he's had two and a half very tough weeks. and i do agree. i think they started with the clinton speech and then they got compounded by all of the stuff that...